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Evan



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:11 pm    Post subject: Legal basis of ARP copies by Korg and Berhinger Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Now that Korg has released the Korg ARP 2600, I'm wondering what the legal basis of this is.

Do they have a licence from however owns the copyright (or intellectual property) on the schematics? Considering that Korg hired a founder of ARP points strongly that this was not a cleanroom redevelopment.

It's weird that someone would licence both Korg and Behringer to produce the same units.

Can anyone make, and sell, copies of ARP's synthesizers from the ARP schematics? And/or use the logo?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

I think Korg owns the ARP logo. Behringer won't use the logo but a number can't be trademarked, so Berhringer 2600 is fine.

The Korg 2600 FS is beautiful but I do like that the Behringer has vco sync and two vco 2 style oscillators.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 9:47 pm    Post subject: 2600 FS Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Cool at long last, moved back to Dallas from S.Carolina and finally unveiled the Korg ARP 2600 to my Granddaughters. Have finally printed out the Patch Book with 100 patches from Korg’s site… hoping to make some progress with patching before I eventually bequeath the instrument to the girls.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 26, 2022 1:19 pm    Post subject: Re: 2600 FS Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Booth.Of.Eternity wrote:
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Good too see that the youth is interrested as well!

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 2:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Legal basis of ARP copies by Korg and Berhinger Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Evan wrote:
Now that Korg has released the Korg ARP 2600, I'm wondering what the legal basis of this is.
Do they have a licence from however owns the copyright (or intellectual property) on the schematics? Considering that Korg hired a founder of ARP points strongly that this was not a cleanroom redevelopment.


The "schematic" as a specific piece of artwork can be copyrighted, as can the PCB layout, as artwork. The "schematic" in terms of a particular arrangement of electrical components cannot be copyrighted. Putting aside any moral or PR issues, from a strictly legal standpoint, you can clone a circuit without getting a license from anyone.

You can take a schematic, redraw it in your own hand, and now you own the copyright on *that* schematic. (Yeah, I know it makes no sense).

There are a few caveats. Circuits can be protected by *patents,* such as the famous Moog patent. And any software in the hardware can be copyrighted, so reproducing what's in a microcontroller would require a clean room design.

Logos, etc. go into copyright/trademark category, so that's another story, hence why you won't actually see an ARP logo on any Behringer version of an ARP instrument.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2022 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote  Mark this post and the followings unread

Just to add... any patents on the original ARP 2600 design will have long expired.

The original graphics of the 2600 panel could be subject to subsisting copyright. It depends to what degree the layout is purely functional, or if there is any artisitic merit in the design.
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